Phat Cat's for Auction--What's it worth?

The team over at Phatcat's is putting the whole area up for auction on eBay. Check info on their site here  Why would they do this and what is it worth to someone else?

phat cat jazz club on the block

The why is easy enough--too much work to maintain a popular site and not enough revenue from running it.

Eventually anyone would get tired and need to move on. But why is running an area in SL so unprofitable?  Answer: costs and complexity are increasing over time, while new users are not growing--so how much is your customer base worth when it is not on aggressive growth. Not enough is what it is.  It's a great deal for Linden Labs to get people to work and make "wonderous" stuff--for less than what you can make stuffing cold cuts into a sub sandwich. We know Linden is making dough (and a lot apparently) but where's the upside for the mainstream content creators and area operators? Is the grid only profitable for porno and land speculators?

The why sell it off is clear--no future and no confidence in LL from people most close to the day to day action on the grid.

What is it worth? hmmm...well this is not first time someone has gone to eBay to cash out a sim. Stroker the man sold off Amsterdam a while back. I heard that the sale tanked at least once. Something about price and also complications over who owned the prims and what rights were in the deal. It was later sold to 3D Dutch probably for a lot less than the $USD 50K that it was first auctioned for. Looks like 3D Dutch wanted some promotional impact (or they wanted their home inworld or something). Wonder how happy they are with their acquisition?

Issues with buying old, popular sims are several-- 1) old prims look...er...old. So new owner needs to rework sim to make it look cool enough to maintain customers and attract dem scarce newbies 2) sims generate traffic by constant marketing to core customers and the grid in general--so the core is usually associated to owners. I think Phat Cat would be hard to maintain without existing hosts, lists and access to live acts. 3) what really is brand value on the grid? Sim costs are low enough these days and build on Phat Cat not that hard to recreate. So what are you really buying?  Group lists, brand and newbie flow. Lot of details need to understand what that actually means.

So valuation--hmmm, well assuming new owner would also need to spend (cash or effort) $USD10-20k to upgrade sim build and marketing. If you don't invest in it, it ain't gonna be worth anything after a few months. 

What value can you get from a popular sim? (we ask ourselves this all the time!). Merchandise value is low now--maybe with a merchandise investment you could extract $L500,000 per month ($USD 1,750). But how much effort to create a deep and interesting merch catalogue? and how long to ramp it?   Ultimately a place like Phat Cat could charge for admissions to gigs and stream radio (but of course killer is inworld concurrency which for a live gig is always small). But we got people choking to pay $L99--so can you get away with charging $L500 or more for a single concert inworld? $L2,000 for a live gig is maybe getting interesting if you can sell 100 tickets.

Maybe if you have other sims that are already productive, this will add some value--so mall operators get focused on this offering--but what is uplift possible 30% of your existing sale? Is that gonna cover the expense and the effort--or would you do better with some other investment in your business. If you do $L1 million a month (is top percentile of grid shops) then is 300,000 realistic (=about $USD1,000). So then maybe you got $10-12K uplift to shoot for.  Other side is if you are burning money on SL Classifieds, maybe this is a better way to go.  Classifieds look like just another way to send money to LL, so a destination site seems a better promo play. Some people spending big dough for skins--so this is for sure a better value, but can you run it as easily as making a classified--no way.

Main value here is gonna be in using the Phat Cat name on the web or irl. So is that a defensible brand? Depends on usage really, so maybe for making virtual world content and rl merch like t-shirts. As a recording label? Maybe but then you are in a whole new world of business. Could be that a indy label could use this?

Final comment on valuation--on a cash basis I actually think value is zero. I think the chance to cash-in the Phat Cat was more than a year ago. Now it is an opportunity to spend money on the SL grid for no real return. Deal that is worth making is a revenue split with a new operator agreeing to put up some investment cash to upgrade user experience and develop more merchandise. Ultimately a place like Phat Cat could charge for admissions to gigs and stream radio (but of course killer is inworld concurrency which for a live gig is always small).

Of course value to Linden Labs is higher than nothing--but it is unlikely they will step across and buy it out. Linden needs more mainstream content operators and value to them for Phat Cat staying active on grid is very high--millions even! millions of dollars USD.

 

 

 

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Phat Cat's certainly was a

Phat Cat's certainly was a good brand in it's hey day, regularly packing out the sim (in fact being music based they could overload the sim to 90 avatars or so due to reduced scripting etc.)  After their change of hands though, some bad blood with the new ownership and other difficulties severely reduced their traffic. They lost the trust of their community - the biggest asset any SL business has. Old prims look old when the magic goes away, but I think the venue was less about the prims, more about the people.

Hopefuly fresh ownership can restore the original good name of the club. There is certainly potential in restoring heritage sites in SL - nothing in SL is old enough that there isn't a significant number of oldbies that remember the heyday. Recapturing the essence of those SL success stories brings with it the respect and support of the SL community. (We've seen enough of the great things in SL disapear, and it would be nice to see some come back for once :)

So I wish the best of luck to the new owners of Phat Cat's whoever they may be. There's a lot of folk in SL who'd love to see it grow back to it's original glory - old prims or new. Just my two cents :P

might cost more than 2

might cost more than 2 cents...

 I used to hang out at Phat

 I used to hang out at Phat Cats when I was a noob, I liked the music of course, jazz.. and it was nice to interact with the people there. Later on I stopped going as I realised the Lagg was so bad on my old G4 Mac it wasn't really as fun as less laggier places. I only returned there to test my settings when I was trying to get them to work for less lagg over all.

I think you will find that Phats did a massive upgrade on their prims recently they had a re-opening launch only about 5 or 6 months ago, its not the same Phats as it was when I was there as a noob, in 2006. So whoever buys it won't have to upgrade the look, It actually looks very nice. I do think that the old owners took the "Good Will" with them when they left, and of course thats part of the deal...its allways up to new owners to try and keep previous customers, but the bad blood we all read about didn't help I guess.

Im absolutley facinated, why, after the demise of Popular places, some places like Sweethearts (Phats previous owner's new place)  and Franks Place (another incredibly popular Jazz venue) still do so well! both places are packed out any time of the day and personally when I check on the green dots which I do out of curiousity, at times, there doesn't seem to have been any dent made in their buisness since popular places was got rid of. In fact today when I look.. Phat Cats is in the Showcase, under music, and Sweethearts and Franks place is not..I know that Sweethearts and Franks are not using bots( as far as I know anyway with my detective eye...(or is that defective eye?) the same music is being played at all the same places they all look as good as each other, there's a secret there of success... and its not popular places which doesn't exist anymore and its not showcase.

regards Paisley

(I feel an interview comming on about this...)

 

 

The owners of Phat's are not

The owners of Phat's are not going to get the money that they thought they would have.  Just tonight, they fired their music director and held his crafted playlist and songs that he purchased via iTunes, stating that they were "intellectual property".  The club has not paid for the tunes, only for the service of him maintaining the playlist with his private library of jazz. This is very well documented because the music director is big on documentation.  Any new owner will have the stigmata of using an unlicensed stream, plus the "registered logo" that Phat's claim to have copyright over (the logo is actually a rip off from Baby Phat by Kimora Lee) and the stain from mismanagement from a very long line of previous owners.  It’s a shame that Phat Cat’s have came to this. The club is not worth the $5000 US that they are looking to get from it at all in its current state.

As one of the current owners

As one of the current owners of Phat Cat's, I would like to make a few points of clarification.  First of all, as Paisley pointed out, the club has recently been beautifully remodeled.  Amethyst Jetaime, one of the owners, created a luxurious custom build reminiscent of the golden age of jazz, and our guests have responded with enthusiasm and profuse praise.

We’re proud to be able to say that Phat Cat’s Jazz Club has the highest traffic rating of any jazz club listed in Second Life search, except for those which use camping to boost their traffic ratings.  We’ve done extensive research on this point, and are quite sure that we have the highest genuine traffic figure among jazz clubs.  Indeed, more than 500 different Second Life residents visit Phat Cat’s each day, none of them drawn by free money giveaways, or controlled by bots of any sort.

With regard to the anonymous post, we fired our music director because he was not doing his job well.  The music he uploaded to the servers of our music streaming service will be permanently deleted, as I explained in a notecard I sent to him on October 4, 2008.

The name “Phat Cat’s Jazz Club” is a trademark registered to us with the United States Patent and Trademark Office, and is an important piece of intellectual property.  The name is loosely based on the slang term “phat”, which originated in the early 1960s, meaning “highly attractive or gratifying” (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/phat).  For more information about the sale of Phat Cat’s Jazz Club by auction on eBay, please feel free to visit www.phatcatsjazzclub.com.  Thanks.

Regards,  Jody

Jody--good luck with the

Jody--good luck with the sale. Please drop a note here when you close it. I would like to add to my comments above that actually there is a HUGE VALUE in a place like Phat Cats for someone with a collector's mentality. We saw insane prices for Damian Hurst work last month and I think although not really the same, that the brand and traffic of a Second LIfe establishment does have a lot of good will and brand value. The issue is the effort needed to maintain it and keep it current. Unlike an art piece, SL areas need daily attention and management. So, issue really is to find someone who care about the place as much as you do (with more cash and patience). Hope it all works out.

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